debomb824 (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

well as a perspective of being in my particular church of episcopalian, we have had a three way split recently due to the issue of gay marriage, the Anglican church in europe, my personal branch which does not favor the issue and the third branch which does, but gay marriage has been a huge issue amoung christian religions recently causing many people to switch and change religions and churchs recently, so if you were wondering why, thats going to be the most pressing issue right now

Mangastar (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

I know this one :) It is a confidence issue indeed, if his wife feels that he loves every part of her imperfect body. She may get confident enough to set him loose. Women, very many at least, only gets jealous like that if they feel the other one is more attractive. Only way to get past that is to make the woman he is with feel that she is special to him, with the body she has. This is not for me tho. Im personally very pro monogamy. But i know a little about this jealousy..

Rachailbabe (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

That's an interesting interpretation since in reality for the vast majority of the world, marriages are actually civil contracts designed for the maintaining of collected wealth and distribution of said wealth from one generation to another. And while Christianity might be a plurality, I doubt it's a true majority. In fact over the last 5 years every major denomination in the U.S. at one time or another has had large clinics and symposiums to try and address losses in numbers.

debomb824 (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

marriages are first and foremost a religious union defined by your particular religion, for the majority of those speaking english, christianity is a big part of our lives and is not in league with mormonism

fsm83 (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

what the fuck are talking about...

Rachailbabe (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

I would say we know many couples who love and are IN love with each other, and have love for the other couples, their long-term swing partners, even in love sometimes. I would say their/our having children has absolutely nothing to do with being or not being swingers or being polyamorous or being parents, EXCEPT to say they/we tend to be in my opinion better than average at communicating about sex and relationships when it comes time to teach their/our children such things.

DaveIrie (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

They may have love for them, but I don't see how they can be *in* love with them. Like you said, it doesn't have the same amount of emotional intimacy. I'm not judging though, if people want to do that fine. I don't think it's good for people who have kids though which seems like a lot of them.

Rachailbabe (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

Each couple has to decide for themselves what they want to try and not. For MANY couples it is a really enjoyable recreation they share. For others it goes even further and becomes long-term relationships with people. But lots of things can be unhealthy for a relationship... too much TV even.

Rachailbabe (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

Agree with Deb, Cheating is breaking the rules of the marriage as agreed to by the people involved. If the rules look different than what you think of or are used to, you may think it's cheating, ( staying with the game analogy ) when in reality they are playing a completely different game. Their marriage rules are completely different, so it isn't cheating. Dan&Jen had a GREAT deffinition, cheating is saying or doing something that you wouldn't say or do when your partner is with you.

Rachailbabe (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

I wouldn't say that, do you mean the couple aren't into each other? Some of the couples we know who swing have been together and "into" each other for 20-30-40 or more years. And while Swinging doesn't have the same level of emotional intimacy that polyamory does, we still know plenty of couples that have a great deal of care and I'll dare say love for their long-term swinging partners.