annedegro (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

As you should know also KS composed all his works to the greater glory of God. But what makes the music of Bach benevolent? Only the fact that he dedicates them to God? KS does the same! So according to your definition KS' music is as traditional as the music of Bach

richtomes (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

Your inner musical illiteracy also extends to Bach I see. Bach's music in particular contains endless examples of benevolent, nurturing and generous themes, apparent in so many of his liturgical settings. He prefaced nearly all of his scores with the words 'to the greater glory of God' It's likely that Bach in particular would have been appalled by the suggestion that a real life act of evil might be compared to a work of art.

annedegro (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

What is benevolent, nurturing and generous about Die Kunst der Fuge? Your tradition ends when you don't know how to appreciate the new music from the 20th century. This music has all its roots however in the tradition. KS as well, just as much as Bach, Beethoven, Wagner, Schönberg and Stravinsky.

richtomes (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

Once again you fail to understand both the traditional concept of art, and the significance of the fact that KS considered his words to be appropriate just one week after 9/11. Evil can't be likened to art in any sense unless the fundamental definition of art has changed. Traditionally art contains at its heart a nurturing generous impulse intended for the benefit of future generations. The Devil can't be an artist because the devil is not generous, nurturing or benevolent.

annedegro (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

Stockhausen is a composer. His music will be remembered. That what makes him important: his music. Not this quote which you force to keep alive with your video. You fail to understand his quote, you fail to discuss his music and you connect things that don't have anything to do with KS art, aesthetics, ethics and music. KS has nothing to do with your fascination for violence and art. There is more art than the violent art that you find important.

richtomes (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

Though it wasn't Stockhausen's intention to create an aesthetic linking evil to art, his words are remembered because they were so wholly unacceptable in the context of the spirit of this tradition. As Evaristti, Abdessemed and Vargas Habacuc have recently demonstrated there is a growing lobby of artists which sees nothing wrong with presenting real life suffering as art. This represents a grotesque caricature of a noble tradition, and KS's grossly unwise words did nothing to halt that trend.

annedegro (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

As you should know by now, KS compared 9/11 with the art of a character (Luzifer) from his LICHT-cycle. You confuse reality with art. KS didn't evolve, develope or propagate an aesthetics about evil and art. Actually he stands for the opposite, which he demonstrates in his quote about his Luzifer and 9/11. So please leave this nonsense about 9/11 and KS for your own video. What you accuse KS of, is not what he stands for. It is your own fascination for violence and art, not Stockhausens.

richtomes (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

You clearly havn't got a clue what you are talking about. Never before in the history of this tradition has real life evil been compared to great art. Stockhausen was a pioneer in this respect. Such a travesty of the concept of art would have been utterly unthinkable before the 20th century art revolution, after which a school of thought evolved which proposed that anything could be legitimate art.

annedegro (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

Already in the middle ages was the devil compared with an artist. KS comparison is based on his religious (christian) believes. The fact that you fail to see that is the main cause that you haven't got a clue what KS' music and words stand for! But KS is a composer and musical explorer, not a priest not a philosopher. We need to discuss his music. That is what makes him with Stravinsky to the most important and influential composer of the 20th century

richtomes (December 31, 1969 at 4:59 pm)

Evil can't be compared to art in any context unless the fundamental definition of art has changed. Traditionally art contains at its heart a seed of benevolence, a nurturing generous impulse intended for the benefit of future generations. The Devil cannot be an artist because the devil is not generous, nurturing or benevolent. After the art revolution of the late 20th century, a new movement emerged which considered it legitimate to call almost anything art, but the original pedigree endures.